Libya: General Assembly vote

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/09/16/libya-sirte-gadhafi.html

6:02 AM 9/17/2011

LUXEMBOURG has 1 vote with a population of over 1/2 million people. US has 312 million people with 1 vote.

The UN is not a Democracy and neither are many of the countries voting in the General Assembly, but they all talk about Peace, Justice and Democracy.

Canada allowed for neither talks, ballots or peaceful resolution.  Lt. General Charles Bouchard is managing the air strikes for NATO. Where General Hillier called the Taliban scumbags, Bouchard calls Gadhafi a murderer. That is a legal opinion but I don’t think he or the UN General Assembly or the Security Council are qualified to make that judgement. That requires judges and an international court.

Libya conflict: Nato’s man against Gaddafi

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13919380

Egypt stood in the UN and reviled Libya for human rights abuses, as its closest neighbour, then voted to recognize the NTC. There is history there because there was a war between Libya and Egypt in 1977. They both SUPPORTED US PROGRAMS OF EXTRAORDINARY RENDITION where persons were tortured? Let the INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURTS decide. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

The International Court of Justice resolves disputes between CONSENTING parties by International Law. It is thus powerless and ineffectual.

AFTER MUCH WRANGLING, GENERAL ASSEMBLY SEATS NATIONAL TRANSITIONAL COUNCIL OF LIBYA AS COUNTRY’S REPRESENTATIVE FOR SIXTY-SIXTH SESSION
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/ga11137.doc.htm

The UN needs reform or it will be replaced after WW3, like the League of Nations was replaced after WW2.

Diplomats are just as essential to starting a war as soldiers are for finishing it… You take diplomacy out of war, and the thing would fall flat in a week.
Will Rogers

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Human Rights vs Law Enforcement

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/08/24/f-vp-stewart.html

6:26 PM 8/28/2011

To “enforce” human rights is the idea behind Law with well defined punishments. Fear of punishment only prevents misdeeds insofar as people think they can’t get away with it. Only persons that keep the law by faith will exceed that performance but even then they may make mistakes or errors.

So a cadre of international civil servants could be “trained to enforce the UN charter of human rights”, as a stopgap but Human Rights are a product of education, and understanding the reasoning behind those rights and finally putting faith in them, not so much enforcement. Having a cadre of such people would be a start but they would have to be a factor in their dissemination, not so much to “enforce” them. Laws may be enforced, but not so much Human Rights.

If our leaders think we can enforce Human Rights, by warring with perceivably criminal states, then they are denying the understanding of generations of religious teaching, and the fundamentals of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights itself, namely that persons are not to be forced to anything, but rather brought to it by reasoning, dissemination of that reasoning and finally faith in the reasoning.

Gen 15:6; Deut 6:5-9; Rom 10:17; Gal 2:21; 3:19

“to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.”

from
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Enforce Law but ensure the punishment is not more criminal than the crime. Teach Human Rights.

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PACIFIC SETTLEMENT OF DISPUTES

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/08/28/libya-massacre.html

3:00 PM 8/28/2011

Some special features of this war:

-Colonel Gadhafi must go.

-Dead men tell no tales of the war from the Libyan Government side.

-Responsibility to Protect (R2P) civilians is a reason to go to war. Colonel Gadhafi was “killing his own people” in Benghazi, people who fly their own flag and attack military and police installations, arming themselves. So how are they “his own people” and not rebels?

-UN Resolutions 1970 and 1973 are passed for legal justification for R2P under Chapter VII of the UN Charter.

-The war is called a “humanitarian intervention” to PREVENT crimes before they occur.

-The war starts when Gadhafi says there is a ceasefire in Misrata and Ajdabiya, and supposedly Gadhafi soldiers break the ceasefire, which the rebels never agreed to to start with. Meanwhile, Secretary Gates assures us a no-fly zone is war, so NATO is at war, bombing military installations, offering no cease fire itself, but Gadhafi forces are guilty of breaking what never was, and presumably communications are completely jammed as all the military NATO gears of disinformation and jamming are in effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1973

-NATO provides close air support to the rebels in what began as a “no-fly zone”, picking sides in a civil war under the auspices of R2P.

Summary: The only way R2P could EVER work is if it was used to bring warring parties to the table. Using R2P as a legal tool for regime change by war is contrary to the preamble of the UN Charter. South Africa or the AU should take this to the UN International Court of Justice.

The title of Chapter VI of the UN Charter is PACIFIC SETTLEMENT OF DISPUTES but only the Libyan Government has sought that.

http://www.icj-cij.org/documents/index.php?p1=4&p2=1&p3=0

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Libyan Gold

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/08/22/libya-rebels-tripoli-gadhafi.html

Mon 22 Aug 2011 09:00:52 AM PDT

All the talk of Gold seems designed to inflate the price of Gold and put money in speculators pockets. Gold is as specifically valuable as any other asset. Some say Gadhafi and Chavez have great amounts of gold so there is gold in them their sand and jungle? Be it gold or silver, it is only portable wealth and nothing more. You still have to guard it and have people you can trust to look after it. Talk inflates price until the insiders get out and the price drops.

ONE TIN SOLDIER / THE ORIGINAL CASTE

http://www.youtube.com/?v=J7jHp7OchP0

They can dig up Tripoli for the gold but my bet is they won’t find anything. There is only one treasure worth fighting for.

Genesis 13:2 And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold.

II Chronicles 9:20 And all the drinking vessels of king Solomon were of gold, and all the vessels of the house of the forest of Lebanon were of pure gold: none were of silver; it was not any thing accounted of in the days of Solomon.

Matthew 6:19-20 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

Libyans are intelligent people but by war we rob ourselves. Silver and gold are not the sole biblical component of wealth. You can’t eat gold. The agricultural sense of the man made river was food from the desert. Without the true treasure from heaven, nothing works.

Sura 43 Ornaments of Gold 35:and gold [beyond count]. Yet all this would have been nothing but a [brief] enjoyment of life in this world – whereas [happiness in] the life to come awaits the God-conscious with thy Sustainer.

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lies of war

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/08/22/libya-moammar-gadhafi-seif-rebels.html

5:13 AM 8/24/2011

The UN Charter reads:
”WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED

-to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and
-to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and
-to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and
-to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,”
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/preamble.shtml

But the UN wars by way of its NATO proxy. By the conditions of the Charter, war should only be undertaken for the most serious of reasons.

quote: “Our first desire is to see the civil war come to an end and order to be restored,” John Baird 

quote: “Our military mission has not changed. It remains to protect the civilian population, enforce the no-fly zone and the arms embargo,” … “We will conduct strikes wherever necessary to protect the population of Libya.” Col. Roland Lavoie (NATO spokesman)

So it is a “civil war”, we are the “scourge of war”, war illustrates our concern for “fundamental human rights” as we “protect the civilian population” by war, all the while providing close air support to an insurgency and propagandizing to the hilt, repeatedly stabbing the public conscience, in the name of war.

Our rebel “allies” consistently lie re Gadhafi, his family and their whereabouts. Saif is captured, then he isn’t. A bookie might give a 20% chance Saif was captured, murdered, then they cover it up, saying he wasn’t captured, Matt Chance aside.

War and its devotees are explicitly a human rights abuse.

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Light and Transient

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/08/09/pol-libyan-diplomats.html

5:26 AM 10/08/2011

It started with a NO FLY zone. Resolution 1973 made it clear that that Gadhafi’s air strikes against his own people must stop. Evidence for these was unverified reports from a few defecting pilots, and some CNN camera shots of big bangs, craters and far misses.

From NO FLY, we attacked Libyan Tanks and provided close air support for Rebel soldiers. These were “humanitarian” strikes, by definition, under UN Resolution 1973. Every NATO leader sang harmony, “Gadhafi must go.” When the question of regime change came up, it was a humanitarian intervention by definition.

Then the military started attacking Command and Control. General Wesley Clarke, commenting on CNN, made it clear that they may incidentally hit members of the Gadhafi family.

Libyan assets are confiscated. Leaders say to increase PRESSURE on the Libyan Regime, we must recognize the Rebels, and discredit the Libyan Regime. We expel Libyan diplomats for “pressure” to terrorize the Gadhafi regime.

The logic seems to be that the Gadhafis are PRESSURED until REGIME CHANGE, to eliminate the perpetrators of HUMAN RIGHTS abuses.

All this BY FOREIGNERS, nominally for justice, without a valid court, appeal, a Libyan vote, impartial observers or negotiation, under the veil of propaganda and deceit.

“Humanitarian law” and “human rights” are become war, air strikes, regime change and no ICJ?

“Condemning the gross and systematic violation of human rights, including arbitrary detentions, enforced disappearances, torture and summary executions,”

“under international humanitarian law”

“facilitate and support the return of humanitarian agencies and make available humanitarian and related assistance”

quotes from Resolution 1973

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/17/un-security-council-resolution

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Libya: NATO Sheep’s Clothing

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/08/08/pol-libya-committee.html

5:40 AM 09/08/2011

They could have used air power to bring Libya to the table, if this was a genuine humanitarian intervention. But the Libyans have offered to come to the table multiple times, and NATO covers their ears, saying the “rebels” will not talk. Like the Syrians and Egyptians, if the rebels go home, they will only be waiting for the knock on the door, or to have it beaten in by the security forces, so they can never surrender?

With the war crimes by the rebels, how can they not expect retribution unless some regime of peace and reconciliation is instituted, South African style. And how will they ever achieve that without negotiations? Other wise the rebels MUST take power, and conduct their own reigns of terror, which will be covered up by the new despots?

Or the country will be divided like Korea and Vietnam were, with the NATO rebel proxies holding on to the oil rich east? Which will be the case if the rebels can never control Tripoli, and I highly doubt they ever will.

The praxis of “never negotiate with terrorists” has been simplified to never negotiate, period, because Gadhafi is a terrorist, and “Gadhafi must go”. But the real reason is that any negotiation would doubtless result in the revelation of many uncomfortable truths on all sides, with likely the most embarrassment for NATO. The truth never seems good enough, when we are not good enough. But the fact of the matter is that the TRUTH of truth and reconciliation is the best there is.

Air power, or the lack of it, could soon force both sides to the table, so why don’t they talk? The answer is that there is nothing “humanitarian” about this intervention. It is the same old calculus of war, incompetence, power, greed and politics, but the sheep’s clothing is wearing thin.

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